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Why learn Valyrian?
« on: April 21, 2016, 12:13:05 pm »
It seems so cluttered, complicated and small to ever be practical in any way. This could just be me, being ignorant and insensitive, but I see no use outside of dialouge in the TV show. Am I missing something?
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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2016, 03:51:00 pm »
Hello,

I'm not sure if you're missing the point of learning a fictional language, but I will attempt to answer this question as simply as possible.
The people that commit time to learning High Valyrian (and any other fictional language) are not doing it because it's practical and will be used in day-to-day life, nor are they learning it because it's easy and they can raise their children speaking it. It's simply either because they enjoy the source of the language (in this case Game of Thrones), or would like to learn a language that is not spoken in the real world, which gives new challenges not experienced in real world languages.
We all do it because for whatever reason we enjoy it, and despite it's potential un-practicality it's fun to do!
Either way, despite it being hard, I hope you will come to appreciate how beautiful a language it is.

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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2016, 08:07:29 pm »
Are you an old-ish person? Around your middle ages? I ask because that is a very beautiful philosophy that I do not follow often. You take your time with language, and that patients is something I find respectful. For me, however, I have plans with my languages; I am rather young, and I am spending a lot of my time, pushing myself harder and harder, to become bilingual. The biological threshold of fluency is becoming smaller and smaller for me and I need languages that are quick, efficient, and lack in inconsistency. I've given up on natural language for now and I hope that if I gain fluency in either Esperanto or Dothraki before I first have kids of my own, I'll have that foot-in-the-door (so to speak) for learning natlangs. For me, it's all about cranking out fluency, as well as having fun with the language of my choice in the same way you described. I can see why you would want to learn such a language now.  :)

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I just saw your account about a minute a minute after posting this and saw that you're only a year older than me. Whoops. What I said still holds true, though, only my perspective changes.
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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2016, 04:02:38 pm »
First of all I would like to start by saying that I appreciate the respectful response, and also your correction after realising that I am in fact a younger person.
I would like to advise you, from experience, in relation to your journey to becoming bilingual. I myself am, and am on my way to fluency in numerous other languages - and have naturally learnt a lot along the way. I moved to France for two years when I was 8 years old, and very quickly learnt to speak it and have since mastered it more technically in recent years. Due to France being a direct relative to numerous other language because of the Latin root, I have found it extremely easy to learn Italian and Spanish, and despite it's lack of similarities, because I have discovered ways to learn a language that is most effective for me, Arabic and Russian have also been relatively "easy" to learn.
So I would say, do not rush to learn supposedly easy and simple languages, but take your time to learn a language such as French, in which there are other languages closely related to it, so you can develop your language-learning skills and then one day use it to attain fluency in numerous, all equally beautiful languages.
If on the side you would like a challenge, do try High Valyrian (or for a real-world language, Latin), which provides a plethora of linguistical challenges not available in all languages (such as noun declensions, a large amount of agreements, difficult verb conjugations etc). We would welcome a new HV learner! (There is a group of us that have each other on Facebook, or similarly email for practicing our Valyrian together in a relaxed yet helpful environment).

Thanks for you post, it's nice to see the Valyrian thread being active once in a while,
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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 11:46:31 am »
Again I applaud your approach to languages, both natural and constructed, but that approach is something that can only be applied to a person such as yourself who has been openly exposed to language before adolescence. I don't know if you know of this concept, but it's a relatively well known one in all of language studies: the older you get, the chances of you becoming fluent in a language plummets after around 10 years of age, and your chances of fluency reach lower than 10% by around 18 years of age. If you learn a language in between 2 months and 10 years of age, your chances of learning other languages is extended past that 10-year dead line and can last well into your 30's.

You caught onto French at 8, which is a bit late but still well within that time frame. With your threshhold expanded, you were equally able to catch on to Spanish, Italian, Arabic and Russian. The only exposure I ever got was two years of German from an American public school at the age of 14, so the odds are a little stacked against me. Thus I need to use different tactics in order to learn a language.

I live in a backwards society that refuses to give any decent education towards language. No joke, the parents of an elementary school want the Chinese immersion program shut down because they think that the teachers will spread communist propaganda to the children who take it. I guess my point is that I live in a completely different environment than you, and will have to use different methods for language learning. I think that eventually I will look at Valyrian again, but for the time being I'm going to put my nose to the grindstone and gain fluency in Dothraki.
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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 07:40:10 am »
I have in fact heard that fact, apologies for my ignorance, I hadn't thought of taking that into consideration when I was replying. Although I would not like to dispel these facts when I myself am not a psychologist, I do believe that people can achieve fluency in a "standard" language through hard work (and you MUST enjoy it), my parents and a couple of other adults I know aptly demonstrate that. I do completely understand however, that the odds are stacked against you. Being immersed in the culture (such as I when I was thrown into an all-speaking French school), or having somebody that can learn with you is by far easier and much more effective when learning a language.
So, with that in mind, if you would like to learn any of the languages I previously mentioned, or any others (due to my natural interest in languages and being happy to learn any), if you would like to practice with me then I'd be more than happy with that, I'm always pleased to have a friend who is interested in languages.
It can be both Valyrian or real-world languages, just let me know if you're interested!

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Edit: interesting part about the Chinese immersion program though, it's disgusting that some people are so narrow-minded when it comes to learning languages :-(

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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 06:32:48 pm »
You're correct,it's easier to learn a language the younger you are. This however,doesn't mean it's hard to learn languages as you grow older. You can see many Polyglots on Youtube who are different ages learning new languages quickly. The key is how you apply yourself. The more you hear the language and speak the language the faster you'll learn it.

As far as fictional languages, fans actually help in the construction of these languages. This enfleshes them and moves them closer towards a full working language. People do this for fun. Most of the time fun isn't practical, thats kind of the point.

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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 03:17:24 pm »
The best, and perhaps the only way to REALLY learn a language is to use it. So, if you are learning High Valyrian or some other constructed language, use it where you can. Na'vi, for instance, the primary conlang I devote time to, I use to command the animals at the zoo. And they listen. Perhaps, its unique to them, too. I have also been known to label pathc panels, etc. at the TV station I work at, in Na'vi. This does not amuse everyone. But sometimes, that's the point ;)
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Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2017, 07:42:36 am »
Well you're quite the character, aren't you? A middle aged zookeeper from Nevada who studies both archaic languages and conlangs.  I almost wish you were my uncle!

What do you do at the TV station? Work with animals on sets or just camera/crew?
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