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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Words with unknown translation
« on: February 13, 2011, 05:28:19 pm »

Once we get a bigger listing going we can start tossing together sentences and practicing! First line I want to learn! "I shall kill the Unsullied" XD

Hopefully we'll get more MGOT lessons soon. It's in the hands of the people in the production though so it depends on what they want to publish when.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Words with unknown translation
« on: February 13, 2011, 03:45:18 pm »
Edited the OP to remove two words that were revealed during the IRC chat. Firesof means year and anna is the accusative case of anhi i.e. anna means me.

Dothraki Language Updates / Dothraki pronounciation
« on: February 13, 2011, 03:42:23 pm »
From the IRC chat with David Peterson we got a little more info on dothraki pronounciation. (Transcript slightly edited to group things by context.)

<ingsve>   double ee's are pronounced like the spanish creer is that correct?
<ingsve>   as in khal-e-esi?
<DavidJPeterson>   Yep.
<DavidJPeterson>   It'll probably be pronounced differently at certain times by some in the series in various contexts. Nothing to be done about that.

<ingsve>   is there any instances where letters are pronounced diffrently than in the phonology? or are all letters pronounced the same no matter where in a word they come?
<DavidJPeterson>   I tried to make the romanization phonetic so as to avoid the need for that.
<DavidJPeterson>   However, there are instances.
<DavidJPeterson>   Should be slight.
<DavidJPeterson>   Or happen naturally.
<DavidJPeterson>   For example, vowels preceded by [q] are pronounced differently.
<ingsve>   as diffrent vowel sounds than the 4 we know about?
<DavidJPeterson>   Phonetic sounds, yes. The 4 vowel phonemes really float around.
<DavidJPeterson>   /i/ > [e]; /e/ > [E]; /o/ >
  • ; /a/ > [A] / q_ (if you know ling rules).

<DavidJPeterson>   the sound with the least variability is probably /i/.
<DavidJPeterson>   Both /o/ and /a/ travel around quite a bit in their respective areas (low for /a/; back [-low] for /o/).

<ingsve>   you seem to like the kh phoneme
<ingsve>   is that always pronouced

<DavidJPeterson>   Kh will float around.
<DavidJPeterson>   Probably more palatal before front vowels.
<DavidJPeterson>   The velar fricative will vary from a velar to a palatal fricative (always voiced).
<DavidJPeterson>   Depending on the vowels.
<DavidJPeterson>   Something like the ach-laut/ich-laut thing in German.
<DavidJPeterson>   But both progressive and regressive.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: HBO Dothraki Pronunciation
« on: February 13, 2011, 02:13:19 am »
Another thing about names etc is who you are talking to. When I speak english and meet someone and give them my name I tend to pronounce my name in "english" rather than in swedish since it makes it easier for the person I'm talking to to understand me and come close to pronouncing it in a fair way. That could at least explain some instances of names being pronounced in a strange way.

We could call this my early entry into the  No-Prize awards for Game of Thrones.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: HBO Dothraki Pronunciation
« on: February 13, 2011, 02:05:02 am »
Ah well, the reason I brought up the Westerosi is the are the closest thing to an English Speaking population in ASOIAF.

Ya, that's usually the way I think about it. Like english=common tongue sort of.

In the end I guess this list doesn't matter. What's more interesting is how they actually pronounce things on the show. Though I'm sure there will be inconsistensies and strangeness there as well.

Announcements / Re: David Peterson to go on IRC this Sunday (13-Feb)
« on: February 12, 2011, 02:50:17 pm »
Crap I'm at work during that time :(

Well, is there something specific you are interested in knowing about, other than cellular telephones and the weather of course? I'm sure someone could pass something on.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: HBO Dothraki Pronunciation
« on: February 12, 2011, 02:47:53 pm »
The Westerosi would most likely speak the language with a different accent than how the great Dothraki would.

The problem with that however is that the people of the common tongue that speak dothraki names probably don't have the words written down so they would be repeating how they have heard the words spoken. These are more like examples of how someone speaking english would pronounce the words as they are written.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: HBO Dothraki Pronunciation
« on: February 12, 2011, 12:19:18 pm »
Ya, it all seems like they simply went around to some people are listened to how they pronounced things. The dohraki words are all pretty much wrong. I simply view it as how some arrogant person with a common tongue accent would pronounce things.

Announcements / Re: David Peterson to go on IRC this Sunday (13-Feb)
« on: February 12, 2011, 04:00:19 am »

I'm guessing you mean 9pm GMT? That would mean 10pm CET.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Verb conjugation
« on: February 10, 2011, 10:07:30 pm »
I mean laz, can or could tend to fall under grammatical mood or modality.

Ah ok. Well, in one example we have with laz from the dothraki 101 post it doesn't seem like it changes the verb in any way.

We have:

Me kaffe rek tokikes.
"It crushed that fool."

and then:

Me laz kaffe rek tokikes.
"It could crush that fool."

The verb crushed remains the same = kaffe.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Verb conjugation
« on: February 10, 2011, 04:20:20 pm »
Seems modality is playing into conjugation too.

Do you mean the imperative example? Ya, that seems possible at least.

Dothraki Language Updates / Verb conjugation
« on: February 09, 2011, 11:23:35 pm »
Here is a quick look at what is known about verb conjugation

fichitakeIMP Sing.
samvenosamvenolatsurpassed3rd p. Sing. PST.
samvosamvolatbroke3rd p. Sing. PST.
assamveassamvatbroke3rd p. Sing. PST.
ogeogatslaughtered3rd p. Sing. PST.
ahhasahhasatsharpened3rd p. Sing. PST.
kaffekaffatcrushed3rd p. Sing. PST.
dothraedothralatrides3rd p. Sing. PRES
vichiterashivers3rd p. Sing. PRES
zireyeseezireyeselatoffends3rd p. Sing. PRES
athiroewill survive3rd p. Sing. FUT
ofrakhiwill not touch2nd p. Sing. FUT, NEG

From this we can see that there isn't really a clear pattern connected to person or tense like in a lot of common languages. This possibly means that conjugation will be affected by other grammatical categories. There also seems to be diffrent types of conjugation. In one instance we see the infinitive ending -at change into -e (assamvat->assamve) but in another case the infinitive ending is simply dropped (samvolat->samvo). One diffrence between these verbs is that one is transitive and the other is intransitive and given what we know this seems to be an important distinction that will probably have impact on the grammar.

Another thing is that if the word ofrakhi is correctly translated it seems that taking the negative of a verb is buildt into the conjugation.

Finally, we have also seen the word laz which seems to mean both can and could.

General Discussion / Re: Issue with posting
« on: February 09, 2011, 02:32:01 am »
Do the Dothraki even know what fish are? They tend to avoid water...

Going by how temperate the dothraki sea seems to be with all the grass they should see some rain from time to time which means there are probably lakes here and there. So they might at least know some fresh water fish.

Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Various affixes.
« on: February 08, 2011, 04:13:13 am »
I think DP has also dropped somewhere (The russian interview?) that we're going to have an Allative case, as well. I haven't run into that before.

Ya, that was the russian interview. A likely candidate is probably -aan since it is similar to the ablative -oon.

Introductions / Re: Hello!
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:57:44 am »
Nice! Yeah, Linguistics is a much better course than Physics.

Take that back!

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