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M'ath, zhey Halahhi (yer zheanae).

Anha dothras chek akka.

If I had to take a Dothraki name, I would translate my own from its celtic origin : Morgan = Sea born which would be Havazhyol.

I'm 27, french, and I reaaaally work on dothraki speaking, accent and stuff, cause it's really fun to see the faces of my coworkers when they piss me off... (plus we french have a bad reputation about accent in foreign speechs, so I try to prove it's not general)

I speak french (duh!), English (pretty well, I think), a bit of german, japanese, some polite words (more or less ::) ) from italian, portuguese, chinese, spanish, literary Arabic.

About conlang, I can merly speak some qenya, khuzdul and black speech, but it's not easy since no one agrees on the grammar. I never tried Naavi, or Klingon (the Federation is not really popular in my country), but I can recognize them.

And I'm done !

Hajas !

Well it stands to reason that no one agrees about the grammar of Khuzdul and the Black Speech, since they have none. We only have very little phrases... in fact we have the Ring inscription and the "cess-pool" bit for the Black Speech and they don't even seem to be exactly the same language (maybe formal and informal or modern and ancient) and Khuzdul only the "the dwarves are upon you". About Quenya you do have more grammar, but again it all depends on what period you mean to study... so that gets all things complicated.

Last time I went to the US I bought the Klingon book, it was so much fun, because as it happens with you, here the Klingons are very much unknown too!

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: on A and B classes
« on: November 05, 2012, 07:00:16 pm »
I bet there's a root explanation to that.

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Beginners / Re: Epenthetic E patterns
« on: November 05, 2012, 10:19:42 am »
So in Finnish lemon and cheese are indistinguishable from one another? Or did you mean some other word? If so I'd love to know about it... in the case I cited, seeing that they are both kinds of food, isn't it confusing? If I had to say "I like cheese, but not lemons" I would be using the very same word  ;D

Yes, that was my point exactly with "zhalia" it was my guess that this -li ending had to have been a consonant ending at some point or something like that, now that you mention this it all makes sense. You could just as well have said that the -li there gets taken as a whole ending in its own right and ta-da.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: on A and B classes
« on: November 05, 2012, 10:14:13 am »
Yes, I got confused, it was rather late at night. I meant ko, kosi. But if any of what I've said is already being used then never mind my comment, heh. I don't consider mai > mayes such a problem, you can't have "maies" in Dothraki if I'm not mistaken.

In any case, yes, animates are too regular and easy to predict to be taught in different paradigms.

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Beginners / Re: Epenthetic E patterns
« on: November 05, 2012, 12:42:52 am »
The really funny thing that you'll be wondering later is... why does jela get acc. jel and how do you differentiate it from the acc. of jelli? :o *mind blown*

Haha!
Zalak che jel che jel? "Do I want cheese or lemon?" :p

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Beginners / Re: Epenthetic E patterns
« on: November 05, 2012, 12:23:05 am »
you have to think that maybe the root is actually zhali- and then you would get a consonant ending.

But zhali would not be a problem, as there is still a vowel there after the /a/ has been removed. If the root was zhal, and the /ia/ was something that meant 'nominative', this would make sense. But we have zhalie, so this can't be the case.

Quote from: Niqqo
Maybe the root used a semi-vowel, zhaly- (or [dzhalj] in phonetics) so it'd be similar to khewo, and then rightfully gets the -e.

Maybe. But I know of no other example of that.

But the point is that, as I said, the root could probably be "zhali" and maybe the -li is taken as a consonant, probably it comes from an L plus a semi-consonant, so then you have an ending in consonant. Doesn't matter that "i" is a vowel, because we are talking about a proto-language or a root. For example, in Spanish you have "ll" which used to be a palatal lateral approximant, it is taken actually as a single consonant but pronounced similar to "ly". So, "llave" sounds "lyave"but the ll is one single consonant. You are just analyzing dothraki but thinking strictly in English and its rules.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: on A and B classes
« on: November 04, 2012, 10:27:38 pm »
Niqqo, your last comment is a very interesting idea!
Hehe Thank you for that!  :D

I also wrote to you about the zhalia > zhalie

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Beginners / Re: Epenthetic E patterns
« on: November 04, 2012, 10:24:33 pm »
you have to think that maybe the root is actually zhali- and then you would get a consonant ending.

Maybe the root used a semi-vowel, zhaly- (or [dzhalj] in phonetics) so it'd be similar to khewo, and then rightfully gets the -e.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: on A and B classes
« on: November 04, 2012, 09:56:42 pm »
I would believe the best option is to do as the Latin dictionaries. In Latin you mention a verb also mentioning the genitive, so for example, campus, -i and you know it's gen. campi and the rest you can get from just that. So similarly, I think you could avoid going into the whole "class B" and "class A" if you just add the accusative. For example sondra, sondre; mawizzi, mawizze; jelli, jel, and so on.

I think the confusing part you mention is like why mawizzi > mawizze but jelli > jel, my guess would be that "mawizzi" is a derivate word, like the root probably means something else, but JEL could be the root in itself and "jelli" the noun derived from the root. Of course I have no way of proving this but it's my guess.

You could likewise use the genitive for animates, so you have rizh, rizhi but ko, koes.

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Announcements / Re: IRC chats among ourselves
« on: October 29, 2012, 04:14:01 pm »
I'm already here on the channel! Heh

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General Discussion / Re: Help for translation
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:27:31 pm »
Awesome, many thanks to you. This will greatfully help in my learning process.

Edit : for the verb "to close" , is there a negative derivation that should be used, as vos, which should lead to vos azzhonathat (+ negative declination, of course)
or should a more specific word be used (and so, asked to Khal David?)

One more thing : the verb "To care" should be used as "to matter for"? ex : "I don't care about this"  = "I don't matter about this" ?

Edit 2 : Than i'll patiently wait for it.

Well... "not to open" is not exactly the same as "to close"... you are just not opening... but you are not in fact closing.

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General Discussion / Re: Help for translation
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:25:52 pm »
I was going to say that "always" and "forever" are not exactly synonyms. For instance, in Spanish you have "siempre" but also "por siempre", which are used in different circumstances. In the case of the examples you give:

"I will live with you forever"/"I will live with you always".

you have in spanish "Viviré contigo siempre" and "Viviré contigo por siempre"... the meaning is different, albeit very subtly.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: An epithet for GRRM.
« on: September 30, 2012, 06:37:17 pm »
My support goes to Movek, I think it's the most likely.

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General Discussion / Re: Help for translation
« on: September 30, 2012, 06:36:17 pm »
Then you could translate "unicornus" literally as "atchiva", right? translating each component. Maybe an ending here would be needed? Is there an ending that's used to create animal names from other words?

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: I need your help!
« on: September 27, 2012, 12:30:46 pm »
Well, active when possible

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