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Beginners / Re: Dothraki "cheers"
« on: February 17, 2017, 07:28:49 am »
As in "cheering", or in the drinking sense?  Because if you want to say something before you drink you would just say "inde!"

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: February 13, 2017, 12:01:47 pm »
Alright the word document is not working, but I am able to get a link to share a google doc.  It isn't my preferred method of sharing documents, but I guess I gotta live with it for now.  All the information I have so far has been organized and revised into a nice list of events.  A topic I haven't written about is left as a bullet point, but topics I have written on begin with a bold title.  Some titles have a side-note to it that will let me know what I have to do with it.


GOOGLE DOC LINK
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOVPDS1NNw2dr83ZEG7a6CGggZMTxs37MV5ewgred-s/edit?usp=sharing


Disclaimer: All of this content is fan made material and does not claim to be apart of the canon universe established in the Game of Thrones or A Song of Ice and Fire franchise.  The work here will not be published or sold for monetary gain, and thus does not violate any of the copyright claims and trademarks that HBO, Bantam Books, or any other company have in the franchise

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:02:11 am »
Story Ideas:

  • creation story
-major characters: vezhven, shekh and jalan
  • creation of mankind (canon story)
-major characters: vezhven, mai krazaaj
  • how our ancestors became the dothraki (drafted)
-major characters:the first dothraki
  • the butterfly and the flower (drafted)
-major characters: butterfly, flower, tree, Rhakko, Dothrak
-moral: do not be weak
  • the dragon of the red waste*
-major characters: the white dragon
  • why some men become ghosts
-moral: do not be weak
  • the khal of sheep (storyboard created)
-major characters: Jiwa, khal oqet
-moral: do not be deceived
  • qofi and the grass arrow (storyboard created)
-major characters: Qofi, rhaek, Jiwa
-moral: do not be boastful when you cannot prove your bragging
  • Lajak Gorj ma zhavvorsa (finished)
-major characters: khalakki, Lajak Gorj, the town, the dragon
  • the giant and the mountain (storyboard created)
-major characters: the giant, the mountain, Chanshi, Jalan
  • why arakhs are curved
  • The princess and her suitor
-major characters: the princess, Chanshi (in the form of a man)
  • the horse and the lion
-major character: the horse, the lion
-moral: horses are better than lions
  • the old man of the hills
-moral: do not trust strange old men
  • the leather scorpion
  • braidless (storyboard created)**
-major characters: the shamed warrior, the princess, the ko, the son of the ko
  • the braid the size of the river
-major characters: the great warrior, Rhakko
-moral: do not think yourself better than the universe
  • mahrazhkem ma chiorikem
-major characters: mahrazhkem, chiorikem, Chanshi

*this will be the story of Daenerys, in the period of time from Khal Drogo's funeral to reaching Qarth when she wandered the Red Waste with her hundred or so Dothraki.  It was made by one of the old men in the khalasari, and is considered a very recent and risque story within Dothraki society.

**this will be the story from the failed Dothraki opera I tried to write this summer.  I like the story but became disinterested in writing a whole opera, so it's being reallocated


these stories will be written and finished this week, and then next week I'll put them on the forum to be edited. Thanks!


Disclaimer: All of this content is fan made material and does not claim to be apart of the canon universe established in the Game of Thrones or A Song of Ice and Fire franchise.  The work here will not be published or sold for monetary gain, and thus does not violate any of the copyright claims and trademarks that HBO, Bantam Books, or any other company have in the franchise.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: February 13, 2017, 07:48:21 am »
Hoorah! My computer is back and I can start the creative process once again! An updated .docx will be added to this post as soon as I organize everything.

Disclaimer: All of this content is fan made material and does not claim to be apart of the canon universe established in the Game of Thrones or A Song of Ice and Fire franchise.  The work here will not be published or sold for monetary gain, and thus does not violate any of the copyright claims and trademarks that HBO, Bantam Books, or any other company have in the franchise.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Dothraki Bible Translation
« on: February 05, 2017, 06:03:01 pm »
1+2=3 : at ma atak issa sen

3-2=1 : sen ziris atak issa at

2*2=4 : atak san atak issa tora

4/2=2 : tor ki ataki issa ataka

(1+2)-3=0 : at ma atak disse ziris sen issa vosi

1/2 : sachi
1/3 : at senaki
1/4 : at toraki

x+4=5 : ekse ma tor issa mek
x=1 : ekse issa at

3x-4(1+7)=-2 : sen san ekse ziris tor san at ma fekh disse issa atak torga vosi
3x-4(8 )=-2 : sen san ekse ziris tor san ori issa atak torga vosi
3x-32=-2 : sen san ekse ziris chisen m'atak issa atak torga vosi
3x=30 : sen san ekse issa chisen
x=10 : ekse issa thi

pi : sen mra at tor

A=h*w : khado issa athyathar san athvohar

A=(b*h)/2 : khado senkem issa athvohar san athyathar disse

A=(1/4)*n*side2*cot(pi/n) : khado sankem issa at toraki san en san hatif hajaan atak san vi frakhaan san sen mra at tor ki eni disse

A=pi*r2 : khado firesof issa sen mra at tor san athkerikhar hajaan atak

(x-3)(x+4) : ekse ziris sen disse san ekse ma tor disse
(x2+4x-3x-12) : ekse hajaan atak ma tor san ekse ziris sen san ekse ziris akatthi
x2+x-12 : ekse hajaan atak ma ekse ziris akatthi

[-b(+-)|/(b2-4(a)(c)]/2a : bi torga vosi ma che ziris garfoth bi hajaan atak ziris tor san ey san si disse ki atak san ey

*issa is the "to be" verb, taken from Valyrian, in a semi-regular form

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: February 05, 2017, 12:21:43 pm »
New constellation map that I made.
I included a zodiac system that the Dothraki have for personal omens that they use to make decisions in their life.  Based on a 12 year cycle that reset on 297 AC, the year ASOIAF first takes place.

Krazaaj- strong. unwavering in opinion. patient. stubborn; 261, 273, 285, 297, 309, 321, 333

Kohol- quick. flexible. tolerant. 262, 274, 286, 298, 310, 322, 334

Kolver- pugnacious. fierce. lawful. consistent. 263, 275, 287, 299, 311, 323, 335

Hrazef- proud. dutiful. reliable. 264, 276, 288, 300, 312, 324, 336

Feldekh- graceful. merciful. passionate. 265, 277, 289, 301, 313, 325, 337

Arakh- alert. ruthless. 266, 278, 290, 302, 314, 326, 338

Feshtith- quiet. wise. useful. 267, 279, 291, 303, 315, 327, 339

Shiro- defensive. deadly. secretive. incognito. 268, 280, 292, 304, 316, 328, 340

Gezri- talented. deceptive. sexual. 269, 281, 293, 305, 317, 329, 341

Zhani- blunt. honest. impartial. 270, 282, 294, 306, 318, 330, 342

Ashefa- benevolent. giving. kind. fundamental. 271, 283, 295, 307, 319, 331, 343

Zhavvorsa- traditional. hubris. imposing. leading. opinionated. 272, 284, 296, 308, 319, 332, 345

Besides showing favorable omens to the Dothraki, the zodiac are a brief and rough form of quantifying time.  If you were to ask Danaerys how old she was, she would probably give you a set number of years (Anha mra qora senthi firesof), since westerners have a far more concrete view of time. However, if you were to ask Khal Drogo, he would probably respond with "Anha tih firesof anni atak" or "I have seen my year twice", since the Dothraki really have no reason at all to keep track of time (no fields to plough, no history to write). They are, however, still human, and understand the passage of time, so using 12 year templates of keeping track of time is used. Drogo's response would put him anywhere from 24 to about 35; a decent age for a Khal.  People like Jorah Mormont, who understand Dothraki culture, would probably use the Dothraki system when speaking with them and would say "Anha tih firesof anni tor", which would be a very old man to the Dothraki (some do not see their third, most do not see their fourth, only a few have ever seen their fifth).


There are a few other constellations that are important beyond showing omens.

Tirak- "the pointer". It is in the shape of a pointing finger, and at the end of the pointing finger is the north star.

Chanshi- the constellation of the minor deity Chanshi

Rhakko- the constellation of the minor deity Rhakko

Jiwa- the constellation of the minor deity Jiwa

Ashefa- despite being a zodiac sign, it's also the longest constellation in the sky, and it spans across the entire horizon line


Disclaimer: All of this content is fan made material and does not claim to be apart of the canon universe established in the Game of Thrones or A Song of Ice and Fire franchise.  The work here will not be published or sold for monetary gain, and thus does not violate any of the copyright claims and trademarks that HBO, Bantam Books, or any other company have in the franchise.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Dictionary Thread
« on: February 05, 2017, 11:38:31 am »
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I wonder if afflechat would be a good way to express breaking something, in the malfunction sense of the word. Arabic never uses the same word for "break" in these two contexts, of breaking a pot, i.e. it shatters to pieces, versus "breaking" a computer, i.e. rendering it inoperable.

Interesting concept. That might be something that I'd consider when translating my Atlas.

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Dothraki Bible Translation
« on: February 03, 2017, 11:09:39 am »
sin - kemven
tan - frakh
cos - vi kemvenaan

kemven = athhatifazzozar oleth athtorgajesari
vi kemvenaan = athvekhizar oleth athtorgajesari
frakh = athhatifazzozar oleth athvekhizari

sec - athrissar
csc - vi athrissaraan
cot - vi frakhaan

athrissar = athtorgajesar oleth athhatifazzozari
vi athrissaraan = athtorgajesar oleth athvekhizari
vi frakhaan = athvekhar oleth athhatifazzozari

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Dothraki Bible Translation
« on: February 03, 2017, 10:56:31 am »
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Nah, I want to maintain any borrowings in-world, so if I were to borrow a word it'd be from Valyrian. Besides, I suspect the Dothraki would have a word for 'pitch' or 'tar' since it's so readily available. It'd probably be related to the name of whatever tree is used to make it, or related to the verb "to melt," or "sap," etc. so maybe fotthaya < fotha "sapwood" or ivisikh < ivisat "to melt."

good point

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Considering there isn't even a word for "number" in the current lexicon,  I think it'll be a while.

This will be my next project  ;)

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Hmm, so do you think ido can be used as both noun and adjective?

I believe it's a homonym. Ido originally meaning "wood", came to mean "fake". Same with tawak.
I like to imagine it did the same thing as "dumb" in english. Originally meaning you couldn't talk but came to mean stupid over time.


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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: January 25, 2017, 09:18:09 am »
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Asshekh anha nesok mevenak Valirakes ale Dothrakoon.

I was still confused by the structure of this so I went back to the wiki and checked it, and found that this is structured incorrectly.

The verb needs to be modified using the adjective comparison affixes, so "avenanat" would be used instead of "venat"

Anha must be used twice. The Schrutean compound is too vague in this context.

Valirak isn't in the accusative, and ale isn't used.

Asshekh anha nesok meanha avenanak Valirak, Dothrakoon.

But I don't really like how this is phrased in general and I think it can actual be made into a complex sentence by changing the wording:

Assekh anha ezak mevaliraki allayafi anna, ma Valiraki adavrani Dothrakoa.

At which a Dothrak would overhear your conversation and respond with, "Hiles yera, ziri"

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: Dothraki Bible Translation
« on: January 25, 2017, 08:47:49 am »
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Gen 6:3 to abide, inhabit, live in

I would say that you could just use the common rule/pattern of augmenting the beginning of the root word, in this case 'thirat', to make it transitive.

Anha thirak = I live/survive (vint.)
Anha atthirak mra okre anni = I live/inhabit in my tent (vtr.)

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Gen 6:4 hero, giant, "great man" - mahrazhof - "great man"

I like mahrazhof. I'll also be using this for a story in the Dothraki Atlas, where a giant fall in love with a mountain.

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Gen 6:9 descendent

Either use the meronymic or the resultive of 'kim', ancestor. Kimikh che kimmeya, depending on how you want to portray the importance of ancestors. 

Anha nem allayafak ki kimikhi = I am pleased by my descendents
Anha kimmeya ki Valiraki = I am a descendent of Valyrians

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Gen 6:9 righteous - jil - right, rightful, "righteous"

Ishish sajila akka.

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Gen 6:11 violence - verven > athvervenar

Agreed.

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Gen 6:12 to be corrupt - rikholat - to rot; to be corrupt
Gen 6:12 to corrupt - rikholat > arriholat - to cause to rot, to corrupt

Rikh adj. - rotten
Rikhat vin. - to be rotten
Rikholat v. - to rot
Arrikhat vtr. - to corrupt

Yot rikh = the rotten fruit
Yot rikha = the fruit is rotten
Yot rikhoe = the fruit rots
Yot nemo arrikha = the fruit is corrupting itself

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Gen 6:14 wood - id?

Ido

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Gen 6:14 room

Tricky, but I suggest okri: I little tent.  I'm thinking along the lines of a small, personal place for you to reside in.

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Gen 6:14 pitch(sticky, water-proofing substance)

I think you could take a loan word from PIE: pik 'pitch'. Dothrakify it and you either get 'fik' or 'tik'.

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Gen 6:15 length - neak > athneakar
Gen 6:15 width - voh > athvolhar
Gen 6:15 height - yath > athyathar

Agreed. Athneakar, athvolhar m'athyathar.

And hey, the Dothraki have now entered the 3rd dimension! I wonder if mathematics can be incorporated later. . .

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Gen 6:16 deck(of a ship) - torga?

No that would be the stores and cabins under the deck. Essheya, "the top part", would be more appropriate since the Dothraki really would not have any specific nouns for the parts of a ship. You could also have "Erraeya", which would mean floor or ground.

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Gen 6:19 male - mahrazhven
Gen 6:19 female - chioriven

Well what do you mean? Mahrazh and chiori are already the words for man and woman in Dothraki. However, if you're trying to express the idea of masculinity and femininity I get where you're coming from and agree with your translation.

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Beginners / Re: Why learn Valyrian?
« on: January 25, 2017, 07:42:36 am »
Well you're quite the character, aren't you? A middle aged zookeeper from Nevada who studies both archaic languages and conlangs.  I almost wish you were my uncle!

What do you do at the TV station? Work with animals on sets or just camera/crew?

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Dictionary Thread
« on: January 25, 2017, 07:37:59 am »
Ah, that would explain much of the confusion.  Oh well, I guess this can be considered an inconsistency in the language to make it seem more natural  ;D

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Dictionary Thread
« on: January 24, 2017, 09:11:23 am »
What words are you talking about? I thought the wiki was behind on the PDF

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Dothraki Language Updates / Re: The Atlas of the Dothraki
« on: January 24, 2017, 09:10:11 am »
Oh boy have I.  Hopefully refining what I have and brainstorming on the forum will be a nice break while I get other things done.

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