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#21
Hey, a new video about Dothraki has just been posted and I have had the honors of recording the dialogue for it! Go check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMdSUu_o1Q
#22
Day one: Phonology

I love it. The sounds are majestic and I guess frillier than that of Dothraki. I also like how the diphthongs can either be rising and falling and how the penult can be changed based on whether the vowel is heavy or light, or whether the diphthong is rising or falling. I love practicing the vowels, and making sure I know the difference between the , [y] and [u ] sounds. The consonants are fun, but are rather familiar to me already. I also enjoy practicing the separation of [r] and [r̥] (r and rh in the orthography if the IPA is hard to see). I think I'll enjoy the language the more I get into the structure of it all.
#24
General Discussion / Jahakmen
May 14, 2016, 05:08:07 PM
Over the summer I plan on undertaking the large project of writing the first opera composed and written completely in Dothraki. So far I have the very loose outline of the plot and I would like some feedback on it:

Part one

  • It takes place deep within the Havazh Dothraki, in one of the most powerful Khalasars of the land
  • A Dothraki man (name not yet decided) has been disgraced by his peers because he was defeated in battle and had his braid cut off
  • He is taunted by his peers, especially so by his long time rival (a favorite ko of the khal), for his loss and has lost all of his old friends due to the immensity of his defeat
  • At the same time, the khalakki of the khalasar is having a dispute with her father because he wishes to marry her to one of his kos
  • One night, beside a river bank that the horde set up camp beside, both the man and the princess meet each other for the first time.
  • They get to talking after the princess convinces him to not commit suicide and they soon fall in love (shierakkem zhilaki)
  • The man wants to run off with the princess, but the princess does not want to leave her father. And marrying a man who has no braid would be a disgrace to her name and horde
  • the man spend the opera trying to convince her to leave with him, but time after time she refuses out of duty to her father
  • Eventually, the khal finds out about this man's attempts to court his daughter, and he becomes furious/mocking of the man
  • Out of spite, the khal gives his daughter to his ko and rival to the man
  • After a long and yearning soliloquy, the man sets out to kill his rival in order to gain back his honor and rights to marry the princess
  • tragically, after fighting a long battle with the rival, the man is killed
  • It ends with the princess morning the mistakes she made by following the will of others

Part Two

  • Fifteen years have passed, and the old Khal has long since been dead. The khalakki became khaleesi, and the Ko became Khal. The khaleesi had birthed a child, and while her husband has been away on hunting trips and raids, she has secretly told her child that he is the son of the man (though the child is not), and that he needs to avenge his true father's death.
  • The son has grown up learning that his father is a scoundrel, but has tried to keep himself from killing his father. The Khal deeply loves his son and is proud of his accomplishment. And this love has spilled over to his wife as well, making him deeply devoted to his family while they do not truly feel the same of him.
  • The boy becomes a great warrior, and is revered by the khalasar for his skill
  • One day, the Khal and the khalakka go on a raid, and for some not yet fleshed out reason, a group of riders are defeated by the enemy but are not killed. The khal cuts off all of their braids as punishment, and in a fit of emotion the son strikes against his father
  • The father and son fight each other, and soon after the battle the son frees the fallen warriors and they band of men ride to the outskirts of the Havazh Dothraki
  • The Khal becomes distraught and depressed by the sight of his son's hatred toward him, and mourns the betrayal of his love
  • The Son and his followers stop in the mountains along a creek, and the son cuts off his braid. All the men together shave their heads completely, and name themselves Norethmen Dothraki
  • They swear alliegance to the Son, and promise to kill the Khal at any cost

I plan to go on about how the son starts his own khalasar of bald men and lead an attack on his father. They end up losing and the Khal is forced to execute his beloved son. The queen commits suicide in the same river where she met the man, and the Khal is left to live with the crushing loss of his son and wife, even though he believed he did nothing wrong.

This is all I have for now and my computer battery is almost dead. Please give thoughts and constructive criticism of the outline so far. Thanks!

P.S.
It's supposed to be a tragedy, so no bellyaching about it being too sad  ;)
#25
Vicovareras ʃe zaniʃʃi
Rais fiezdrivaan
Jini aþcadar
Jini aþmanimvenar oveþa zoh
Hoyas hoyal ʃe Jutebox

Avvirsa maege
Avvirsa maege
Ciʃa nesaci finne yer þiri

Ʒani virzeþi ʃe emrax idosi
Haʃ yer aye haʃ yer virsae
Aþvasterar ovray
Annevas ei dirge
Vos cemos ma tihoon mori
Vos lajos
Ovveþas assoxaces
Jini aþmanimvenar oveþa zoh
Hoyas hoyal sattʃey ʒinda

Avvirsa maege
Avvirsa maege
Cisha nesaci finne yer þiri
Cisha nesaci finne yer þiri
#26
General Discussion / Radiohead album
May 02, 2016, 08:49:44 AM
In honour of recent events leading up to the new Radiohead album, I have decided to translate my one of my many favorite songs 'Optimistic' into Dothraki.

Afis ovethi nharesi anni,
Jadro qemmoe khadokh,
Qorasoe ei havonikh,
Eshina zhokwa adakhi eshina niqe,
Eshina zhokwa adakhi eshina niqe,
Vos athlajari anni, azhas anhaan zolle

Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan,
Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan

Jinak dirgak athzalar,
Jin voj et jeser,
Jin voj ray jad mra khizroon,
Jin voj arana athdavrazar,
Graddakh ha rhoaan,
Thiri she ramasares oqet

Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan,
Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan

Anha jif rhelak yera, mahrazh
Anha jif rhelak yera, mahrazh
Vojido samva rokheya
Qayea she rhaggat eveth

Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan,
Yer kis ti chek,
Yer kis ti chek,
Vekhikh adavrazar yer laz ti lekhaan,
Zhavmel veri rhaesheseres,
Zhavmel veri rhaesheseres,
Zhavmel veri rhaesheseres
#27
Announcements / Duolingo course
April 25, 2016, 10:06:09 PM
Everyone, listen here!

We need some volunteers to sign up to work on a Dothraki duolingo course. I'm going to PM everyone I think would be a good addition to the team, but if you think you are good enough at Dothraki to help out, please speak out and I would be more than happy to have your help. I know this community isn't very active, but please, we have the opportunity to reach an audience of millions of people! Think about how great it would be get a fresh wave of beginners into this stagnant forum. Consider the following benefits of helping:

-as said previously, it is a good way to reach a large audience
-a good way to easily strengthen your Dothraki skills on a highly developed app
-some spoken learning material to help you pronounce the language better
-a place where you get a personal sense of accomplishment with every lesson you complete, and you would know exactly how well you know Dothraki and how much you need to improve

please please please PLEASE PLEASE! Let's get something done for a change!
#28
HBO: Game of Thrones / Hooray! Dialouge!
April 24, 2016, 08:15:15 PM
Finally! Some fresh Dothraki from the show! Discuss about it in this thread...
#29
I'm so psyched for the new dothraki scenes in season six. Maybe. . . DJP might want to. . .tell us what they will say?  ;)
#30
HBO: Game of Thrones / Who has plans for Sunday?
April 22, 2016, 11:02:34 PM
I'm going to be watching the premier of season 6 with my girlfriend on the 24th. What are ya'll doing? Party? Small get together? Bank robbery?
#31
A Song of Ice and Fire / Where to begin?
April 22, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
I'm currently reading the World of Ice and Fire book and I'm wondering if this is a good idea? Should I start with the loore and go into the books or should I start with the books and go into the lore?
#32
I decided to modify DJP blade writing into a standarized form for dothraki.
#33
General Discussion / Zhongwen Dothraki
April 22, 2016, 07:02:20 PM
For this writing system, all you do is word for word transliterate dothraki into chinese characters. In order to translate affixes, you transliterate words corresponding to the suffix and attatch it to the root word. Like so:

Tense affixes

plural past tense, negative past tense /-(i)sh or -(o)sh/
咱做旧//咱不做旧
(we/do/old)//(we/no/do/old)

first person singular present, negative present /-(a)k or -(o)k/
我做//我不做
(I/do)//(I/no/do)

first person plural present, negative present /-(a)ki or -(o)ki/
咱做//咱不做
(we/do)//(we/no/do)

second&third person singular&plural present tense, negative present tense /-e, -i, -a or -o/
其做//其不做
(they/do)//(they/no/do)

future tense prefix, negative future tense prefix /v-, a- or o-/
将//将不
(will)//(will/no)

Cases/other

singular//plural
Nominative - none
Accusative - 宾//宾复
Genitive -
Allative - 往//往复
Ablative - 从//从复
plural -
that conjunction -
pronominal preposition -

Derivational morphologies
Durative -
Negative - 相反
Pejorative -
'Covered in' -
Nominalization - 名词
Agentive -
Diminutive -
Augmentative -
Collective -
Resultive -
Meronymic - 关系
Similative -
Caritive - 不在

Examples

M'athchomaroon. Hash yer dothrae chek, okeosi anni?
同 名词尊敬从. 是  您 骑其做  好,  友有  我有?

Anha tih krazaajaan, m'anha tih maf.
我  看  山往,  和  我  看  羔.

disclaimer: I do not know Zhongwen, all I did was google translate meanings of words so I have know Idea if I got any of the symbols right. If you know Chinese, feel free to PM me and I will be more than happy to fix the mistakes.
#34
General Discussion / Hiragana Dothraki
April 22, 2016, 04:11:31 PM
I continue my quest to find a writing system that would best fit the language of the feared horsemen of essos. So far, Cyrillic has appeared to be the best system, and Devanagari being the least (not to insult those who speak Hindi. It's not you, it's me). Today, I look at hiragana.

あ - A    い - I    え - E    お - O
か - Ka  き - Ki   け - Ke  こ - Ko  っ - geminate
さ - Sa  し - Si   せ - Se  そ - So  ん - N
た - Ta  ち - Ti   て - Te  と - To    。 - pause symbol
な - Na  に - Ni   ね - Ne  の - No   、 - hardening symbol
は - Ha  ひ - Hi   へ - He  ほ - Ho
ま - Ma  み - Mi  め - Me  も - Mo
や - Ya  り - Ri   れ - Re  よ - Yo
ら - Ra  ぎ - Gi  げ - Ge  ろ - Ro
わ - Wa じ - Zi   ぜ - Ze  を - Wo
が - Ga  ぢ - Di   で - De  ご - Go
ざ - Za  び - Vi  べ - Ve   ぞ - Zo
だ - Da  ぴ - Fi  ぺ - Fe   ど - Do
ば - Va  ゐ - Wi ゑ - We  ぼ - Vo
ぱ - Fa  す - Yi  ゆ - Ye   ぽ - Fo



Notes on modification:    *Oh boy is there a lot to fix. I may or may not have thought this through totally  ;D*

-first off, I standarized all the hiragana outliers in all the constonants for I symbols. No Shi's or Chi's or Zhi's sticking out where they're not supposed to.

-second, I changed the period into a general pause sign (essentially a period and a comma rolled into one) and the comma into a hardening sign (same as cyrillic)

-third, I got rid of all the U syllables and added the old-hiragana We and Wi symbols for consistency.

-fourth, I changed all B syllables into V-type syllables and P syllables into F-type syllables in order to match up with dothraki

-fifth, I took the hiragana SU and YU and made them the YI and YE symbols for consistency.


How I use the 'hardening' symbol:

This takes a symbol and modifies it into another sound, much like how the does this already in hiragana.
Here are all the other sounds that the hardening symbol makes in order to get the entire phonology of dothraki:

か (Ka)-becomes- か、(Cha)
さ (Sa)-becomes- さ、(Sha)
た (Ta)-becomes- た、(Tha)
は (Ha)-becomes- は、(Kha)
ら (Ra)-becomes- ら、(La)
ざ (Za)-becomes- ざ、(Zha)
が (Ga)-becomes- が、(Ja)


and so forth with the other syllables.

The geminate and the stand alone N

the geminate mark will not function the way it's supposed to. Normally, It extends the constonant sound in a symbol like so:
かっ - Kka
However, I will use it to indicate that the constonant is standing independent from a vowel, like so:
かっ - K

the stand alone N is exactly what it sounds like. it's an N sound that is not attatched to any vowel.

Example sentences:

M'athchomaroon. Hash yer dothrae chek, okeosi anni?
まっあた、っこ、まろおん。はさっ ゆれっ どと、っらえ け、かっ。おけおし あんに?

Anha tih krazaajaan, m'anha tih maf.
あんは ちひっ かっらざあが、あん。ま あんは ちひっ まぱっ

Disclaimer: a lot of what I have done has heavily modified hiragana to favor dothraki. Anyone who can read regular hiragana would not know what you are talking about.
#35
Beginners / Why learn Valyrian?
April 21, 2016, 12:13:05 PM
It seems so cluttered, complicated and small to ever be practical in any way. This could just be me, being ignorant and insensitive, but I see no use outside of dialouge in the TV show. Am I missing something?
#36
No matter which answer you choose, I won't judge  :D
#37
General Discussion / Devanagari Dothraki
April 21, 2016, 11:31:26 AM
I got bored quickly so I just did the Devanagari script by myself:

अ ा - A
छ - Ch
द - D
ए े - E
फ़ - F
ग - G
ह ः - H
ज - J
इ ि - I
ज - J
क - K
ख़ - Kh
ल - L
म ँ - M
न ं - N
ओ ो - O
क़ - Q
र ृ - R
स - S
श - Sh
त - T
थ - Th
व - V
ब - W
य - Y
ज़ - Z
झ - Zh


Some notes on the characters:

- This is actually the Devanagari B sound, because the writing has no sound for W and no way to change a constonant with diacritics that would alter the sound. So, I just took the B and made it the W.

examples

M'athchomaroon, okeosi anni. Hash yer dothrae chek?
मऽअथछोमरोओं ओकेओसि अणणि। हश येृ दोथृ छे क्

Anha tih krazaajaan, m'anha tih maf.
अंह तिः क्रज़ाजान म अंह तिः मफ़्


I don't like this one very much. It looks fantastic and the look definitely fits dothraki. Unfortunately, Devanagari really needs to be forced into awkward places in order to work.
#38
General Discussion / Cyrillic Dothraki
April 21, 2016, 08:21:55 AM
M'ath, vojosor Dothraki!

Recently, I've taken to using Dothraki in different writing systems in order to get a feel of foreigness to this language, without breaking the canon rules of dothraki and making a system specifically for the language, and I've taken a great liking to Cyrillic in my search for a written language. I'd just like to share with you all exactly what symbols I use to transliterate.

Аа - A
Чч - Ch
Дд - D
Ээ - E
Фф - F
Гг - G
Хх - H
Ии - I
ЖЪжъ - J
Кк - K
ХЪхъ - Kh
Лл - L
Мм - M
Нн - N
Оо - O
КЪкъ - Q
Рр - R
Сс - S
Шш - Sh
Тт - T
Цц - Th
Вв - V
ВЫвы - W
Йй - Y
Зз - Z
Жж - Zh

Some notes on symbol usage:

Э - closest thing in the cyrillic alphabet I could get to the dothraki E sound
ЖЪ - this is the Zh sound with the hardening symbol next to it, making it the Dothraki J.
ХЪ - this is the H sound with the hardening symbol, making it the Dothraki Kh. DJP didn't make a distinction between the Kh and H sound when he transliterated dothraki into cyrillic, but I found the Kh sound too important to muddle together with the H sound.
КЪ - once again I use the hardening symbol next to the K sound, making it the Q sound.
ВЫ - closest thing I could find in the russian-cyrillic alphabet that comes close the the W sound. This is the V sound with the softening symbol beside it, which adds a slight Y to the end of the sound. Thus making this symbol sound sort of like a "Vyh" sound, which is close enough for me.

Example sentences

M'athchomaroon, okeo anni. Hash yer dothrae chek?
М'ацчомароон, окэо анни. Хаш йэр доцраэ чэк?

Anha tih krazaajaan, m'anha tih maf.
Анха тих кразаажъаан, м'анха тих маф.

I hope to be able to transliterate an abugida soon if anyone is interested in helping with that.
#39
General Discussion / Any natives?
April 03, 2016, 01:45:40 PM
Hash zhille voj move yallisi ma ezzo mori Dothraki?
#40
Are there any good lessons online teaching intermediate  grammar and syntax beyond that of the Dothraki Wiki page? I need help with using the ending suffixes for jin, haz, and rek correctly, and how to determine whether an object in animate or not. If someone could help me either over email or in this thread I would greatly appreciate it!